1 00:00:07,790 --> 00:00:11,610 We are rapidly approaching the conclusion of Better Call Saul, and I 2 00:00:11,610 --> 00:00:15,370 to see what unfolds on next week's series finale. But first, tonight's 3 00:00:15,370 --> 00:00:19,170 took us on a wild ride that was heartbreaking and hilarious and 4 00:00:19,330 --> 00:00:23,330 Not only did Kim survive the Breaking Bad era, but she made a new life in 5 00:00:23,330 --> 00:00:27,290 Florida, and she swapped arguing in court for small talk about what makes 6 00:00:27,290 --> 00:00:28,288 mayonnaise mayonnaise. 7 00:00:28,290 --> 00:00:32,549 But after a surprise phone call from Jean, Kim decided to come clean, try to 8 00:00:32,549 --> 00:00:34,370 make amends for her role in Howard's death. 9 00:00:34,810 --> 00:00:38,550 Meanwhile, Gene's brazen behavior seems to have caught up with him as Marion 10 00:00:38,550 --> 00:00:40,410 thought through his con and alerted the police. 11 00:00:40,610 --> 00:00:44,970 So, what will Saul do now that his cover's been blown? What will be the 12 00:00:44,970 --> 00:00:45,970 of Kim's confession? 13 00:00:46,010 --> 00:00:48,810 And what fate awaits Saul in next week's series finale? 14 00:00:49,150 --> 00:00:51,670 On tonight's show, we're going to talk about all of it. We have interviews with 15 00:00:51,670 --> 00:00:55,210 the cast and producers, including ones with Giancarlo Esposito, Tony Dalton, 16 00:00:55,210 --> 00:00:56,210 Carol Burnett. 17 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:59,170 My guests are executive producers and creators of Better Call Saul, Vince 18 00:00:59,170 --> 00:01:02,990 Gilligan, and Peter Gould. The one and only Bob Odenkirk, a .k .a. Jimmy, a .k 19 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:07,380 .a. Saul, a .k .a. Jean, and Kim Wexler herself, Ray Sehorne. I'm Chris 20 00:01:07,380 --> 00:01:09,200 Hardwick, and this is Talking Saul. 21 00:01:15,780 --> 00:01:16,780 Welcome. 22 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,300 Please welcome my guests, Vince Gilligan, Peter Gould, Bob Odenkirk, and 23 00:01:26,300 --> 00:01:27,360 Sehorne are here. 24 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:35,060 Congratulations on the Emmy noms this season. 25 00:01:35,260 --> 00:01:37,540 Very cool. Congratulations. Ray, is this your first nomination? 26 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:41,620 It appears to be my first nomination. 27 00:01:41,860 --> 00:01:43,180 Yes. Well, congratulations. 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,500 Thank you. Thank you very much. 29 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:53,420 So, first of all, I was very relieved, as were a lot of people, to see that... 30 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,320 Kim survived like she made it through the Breaking Bad era. She's there. 31 00:01:58,740 --> 00:02:02,240 Fear of living on on Twitter says, Kim Wexler still alive in Breaking Bad 32 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,040 timeline. Oh, my God, thank you. 33 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,520 PunisherBase on Twitter says, literally yelled, she's alive! 34 00:02:08,060 --> 00:02:10,960 Like Marty at the end of Back to the Future 2. 35 00:02:11,980 --> 00:02:17,020 Blair on Twitter says, Kim Wexler hanging out with Karen is the cruelest 36 00:02:17,020 --> 00:02:18,400 of the entire Breaking Bad. 37 00:02:20,559 --> 00:02:24,200 And Ray Sehorne in the house, phenomenal actress. Love that you are back in 38 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Better Call Saul. 39 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:31,020 What was your reaction to Kim being very much alive in Florida? 40 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:38,320 Well, Peter had talked to me about the fact that I would come back because 41 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,940 and Vince have been very respectful of actors whenever they're gone forever and 42 00:02:42,940 --> 00:02:45,920 letting them know. So I knew I would come back in some capacity. 43 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,100 But I didn't know what capacity. 44 00:02:49,340 --> 00:02:54,740 So when I got this script, written by Vince and directed by Vince, I was very 45 00:02:54,740 --> 00:02:56,960 surprised. I knew that I had some wig fittings. 46 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,940 And it was challenging. 47 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,960 But then it was so beautiful to understand that she is a shell of a 48 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:07,960 just kind of like living. 49 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:15,960 this life that for me was the answer to her saying i wanted more when she way 50 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,780 back when when she interviewed with schweikert and uh schweikert and cokley 51 00:03:19,780 --> 00:03:25,340 said i just wanted more and i think she thinks she flew too close to the sun and 52 00:03:25,340 --> 00:03:30,720 now she's tamping it all down and it was sad but she was still kim wexler she 53 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:35,940 didn't she had a new job and a new appearance but she still was kim wexler 54 00:03:37,390 --> 00:03:40,970 She was, but you shouldn't see that till the birthday party scene when she's 55 00:03:40,970 --> 00:03:47,790 singing. So one of the challenges that Vince and I had was, should you see 56 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:51,570 cracks in the armor prior to that? And we talked about it. And then we talked 57 00:03:51,570 --> 00:03:55,270 Peter about it as far as like, how long has she been living this life? 58 00:03:55,510 --> 00:04:00,210 And we truly believe that she's gotten so used to the performance she's doing. 59 00:04:00,550 --> 00:04:05,190 It is sincere when she's like, let's sign the kitty cat card. It's real. 60 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,980 for that moment, and then you shouldn't see the cracks until Jimmy calls her. 61 00:04:10,140 --> 00:04:16,839 Yeah, and when Gene, Jimmy, Saul, calls her, why is he so intense 62 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:17,839 with her? 63 00:04:18,140 --> 00:04:19,720 Because she won't give him anything. 64 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,420 He hasn't seen her in, I don't know how long. What is it, a year and a half? 65 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,480 I think it's been six years. Oh, six years. Yeah, it's been a while. Okay, 66 00:04:28,580 --> 00:04:29,580 that makes sense. 67 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:32,620 I don't watch this shit. 68 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:35,400 Six years. 69 00:04:35,420 --> 00:04:37,360 But she won't give him anything. 70 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:42,060 And, you know, I mean, it's just a phone call. Can't you say anything nice or 71 00:04:42,060 --> 00:04:43,180 anything at all? Yeah. 72 00:05:00,530 --> 00:05:06,990 Peter, what did Kim's ultimate confession and visit to Cheryl 73 00:05:06,990 --> 00:05:10,610 know if it symbolizes anything. I think she's, this has been a burden she's been 74 00:05:10,610 --> 00:05:11,610 carrying. 75 00:05:12,450 --> 00:05:17,170 I think if she had her way, she would have confessed right away. I think she 76 00:05:17,170 --> 00:05:21,110 would have left the apartment and instead of going to Florida, I think she 77 00:05:21,110 --> 00:05:24,690 have gone to the police if she could have, if she could have safely done that 78 00:05:24,690 --> 00:05:30,510 and not involved Jimmy and not involved Gus and Mike and all that. So I think 79 00:05:30,510 --> 00:05:34,710 she's living under a cloud because she hasn't been able to tell the truth. 80 00:05:35,260 --> 00:05:41,880 Yeah, but she improvises this elegant lie to Cheryl at the gathering, 81 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:50,340 and it's so cold and so 82 00:05:50,340 --> 00:05:57,120 precise that it's like, oh, my God, she's out jimmying Jimmy in this moment. 83 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,000 then, obviously, it all comes to a head, and she has this breakdown on the bus. 84 00:06:01,540 --> 00:06:02,680 What was that? 85 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:10,040 moment like for you and for her um yeah 86 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,240 that memorial scene but also the scene where I go to her and confess you're 87 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,920 right those are and Vince and I and and Peter we like we really thought about 88 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:25,760 how to calibrate that because I think that Kim does not think she deserves to 89 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:31,540 the one who needs to feel anyone needs to feel sorry for in that moment so I do 90 00:06:31,540 --> 00:06:37,540 think that she suppresses i'm here to do penance i'm here to allow the victims 91 00:06:37,540 --> 00:06:44,460 to actually be the victims and then um on the bus scene and we were on a 92 00:06:44,460 --> 00:06:48,800 real tram right fence going around uh abq airport and uh 93 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:55,140 they vince told me and peter told me it's um 94 00:06:55,140 --> 00:07:02,050 this is not this episode's letting go this is six Six seasons, 95 00:07:02,290 --> 00:07:08,290 seven years of her letting go of what she's become, what she has done to 96 00:07:08,290 --> 00:07:09,290 herself. 97 00:07:09,370 --> 00:07:13,570 And I understood that. And it hurt in my chest. 98 00:07:14,050 --> 00:07:16,170 Vince, what do you remember about directing that scene? 99 00:07:16,450 --> 00:07:21,130 I just remember I was nervous about it all day. I didn't have any reason to be 100 00:07:21,130 --> 00:07:23,490 because, you know, Ray, I knew she'd crush it. 101 00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:25,130 But it was just. 102 00:07:25,580 --> 00:07:29,580 You know, we put four cameras, locked them down in the back of this bus. It's 103 00:07:29,580 --> 00:07:34,280 real bus. If you go to Albuquerque now and, you know, rent a car there flying 104 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,800 into the airport, the odds of you riding this actual bus are probably pretty 105 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,560 good. And you say that now a bunch of Breaking Bad fans and Better Call Saul 106 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,760 fans are going to be like, why are our trams so full of people not flying 107 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:47,760 anywhere? 108 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,880 Yeah, that's true. That's true. Tourism dollars. Yeah. But it was. 109 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,300 It was just, and my sweetie Holly is sitting next to Ray. 110 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,660 Yeah. Yes! 111 00:07:58,100 --> 00:07:59,160 Yeah, Holly's in there. 112 00:07:59,420 --> 00:08:04,140 And it was just fun. We did two takes of it. I felt guilty, Ray, making you do a 113 00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:08,100 second take because you were perfect on the first one. But I'm just, you know, 114 00:08:08,140 --> 00:08:09,940 I'm neurotic. I've got to have more than one take. 115 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,080 But you just nailed it. I think we did use the second take, if that makes you 116 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,720 feel better. But it was just, she just crushed it. And it was, you know, it was 117 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:20,720 just perfect. 118 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Two times, and it was a lot of fun, but I was anxious. I think I was kind of 119 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,440 anxious for Ray leading up to it. 120 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,140 Well, we're going to take a quick break. We have interviews of the cast and 121 00:08:31,140 --> 00:08:34,760 crew, including ones with Giancarlo Esposito, Tony Dalton, and Carol 122 00:08:34,980 --> 00:08:36,700 We'll be right back on Talking Thaw. 123 00:08:54,030 --> 00:09:00,470 Marion is the mother of the cab driver who identified Gene as Saul. 124 00:09:00,730 --> 00:09:05,930 And what happens is that she has really liked Gene a whole lot. 125 00:09:06,450 --> 00:09:13,370 And she finds out that he is indeed Saul Goodman. And she is very upset and hurt 126 00:09:13,370 --> 00:09:14,730 and angry. 127 00:09:15,530 --> 00:09:17,810 And he is very upset. 128 00:09:18,170 --> 00:09:20,170 And he's also kind of threatening. 129 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:28,360 and she pulls out her life alert, and she blows a whistle on him, and he 130 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:33,520 It's really hard to be mad at each other, so we really have to pull out our 131 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,480 acting chops, I have to say. 132 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:41,460 I'm going to miss a lot of the group. There's a lot of love in this group, and 133 00:09:41,460 --> 00:09:47,500 know they've been together since Breaking Bad, and this is a family, and 134 00:09:47,500 --> 00:09:48,459 feel it. 135 00:09:48,460 --> 00:09:50,380 And as I said, there's a lot of love. 136 00:09:52,750 --> 00:09:53,750 Oh, my gosh. 137 00:09:54,450 --> 00:09:58,610 We'll go back to talking stall. That was the legendary Carol Burnett. 138 00:09:59,740 --> 00:10:04,700 Which, by the way, we're shooting in, we're one floor above where they shot 139 00:10:04,700 --> 00:10:05,700 Carol Burnett show. 140 00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:09,360 The talent entrance to the building is called the Carol Burnett Talent 141 00:10:09,380 --> 00:10:12,220 So this is legendary for a legend. 142 00:10:13,540 --> 00:10:17,260 YML11 on Twitter says, Carol Burnett was not on my Better Call Saul bingo card. 143 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:18,380 A total treat. 144 00:10:18,460 --> 00:10:21,720 Mr. Jim Messina says, there's nothing more wholesome than watching a legend 145 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,900 Carol Burnett enjoying a kitten riding a Roomba and calling her a cutie 146 00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:25,900 patootie. 147 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,680 Oybe on Twitter says, kudos to casting Carol Burnett. 148 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:35,000 national treasure uh and uh what was it like shooting the scene where you kind 149 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:41,300 of threatened the national treasure carol burnett bob odenkirk super fun oh 150 00:10:41,300 --> 00:10:47,000 god that was the greatest i loved her so much i mean just as a person and hers 151 00:10:47,560 --> 00:10:52,160 of course, her career and her show, but working with her was a joy. And she's 152 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:58,780 just so present and giving and sweet and such a great actress. I mean, 153 00:10:58,820 --> 00:11:03,560 if you see that last scene where Saul is, you know, I don't know, going to 154 00:11:03,560 --> 00:11:10,560 strangle her or something, and then the sweetness of her face and her 155 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:15,720 hurt on her heart that hurt so much in that moment melts his... 156 00:11:16,270 --> 00:11:22,470 steely anger and uh and he remembers that he's human again briefly 157 00:11:22,470 --> 00:11:28,250 and can't do it thank god i couldn't actually do it no i'm glad which is to 158 00:11:28,250 --> 00:11:32,950 obviously i couldn't actually do it but i couldn't i wouldn't like if you had 159 00:11:32,950 --> 00:11:38,070 written that solve kills i was really i was really close but he gets close which 160 00:11:38,070 --> 00:11:44,110 is crazy but you know what's great about that it's the furthest length that he's 161 00:11:44,110 --> 00:11:45,110 gone 162 00:11:45,250 --> 00:11:51,930 It's great that he really is doing this whole scam just to burn up 163 00:11:51,930 --> 00:11:57,730 his life. He's trying to destroy himself. I'm glad you said that because 164 00:11:57,730 --> 00:12:02,390 trying to figure out, like, what is his angle at this point? And also, so many 165 00:12:02,390 --> 00:12:04,450 times. It's like the movie Leaving Las Vegas. 166 00:12:04,670 --> 00:12:10,630 Yeah. I'm going to do these scams until you catch me and I go down or something. 167 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:14,070 I'm just going to burn this down because he's not enjoying. 168 00:12:14,940 --> 00:12:15,940 The Cinnabon job. 169 00:12:17,260 --> 00:12:23,000 And he's not enjoying being hidden away. And as hard as it is, Ray's talking 170 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:29,540 about Kim struggling and her six years of suffering as this other version of 171 00:12:29,540 --> 00:12:34,600 herself in Florida. Well, it's even worse, I would say, for Jimmy to be 172 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,860 mute as his effusive character is. 173 00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:44,120 He can't handle it. He's having like a heart attack or something in that. 174 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,080 into cinnamon what he has a brain yeah what does he have there a stroke well he 175 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,040 does like a panic attack panic attack that takes him down sends him to the 176 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,780 hospital there are points throughout this where you're okay i feel like Your 177 00:12:56,780 --> 00:12:59,500 character, okay, maybe he's going to have a redemption arc. And then you see, 178 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,440 like, Kim's character has a redemption arc where she comes clean. 179 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:06,620 And then, you know, two things. You almost kill that poor guy on the stairs. 180 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,660 And then you approach Carol Burnett. You wanted to see me kill him. 181 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,840 That's different. No, I do. I feel like, you know, by the end of the episode, 182 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,500 I'm like, I don't know if that redemption arc is coming. Like, I feel 183 00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:24,220 idea of, like, what's going to happen in the final episode where it ends with 184 00:13:24,220 --> 00:13:29,780 you almost killing Carol Burnett. Like, I can't imagine, like, is it possible 185 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:31,680 for this character to be redeemed at this point? 186 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,920 Well, I don't want any spoiler alert, but he does try to jump Snake River 187 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:36,920 Canyon. 188 00:13:38,420 --> 00:13:41,180 But other than that, there's nothing to see. 189 00:13:41,620 --> 00:13:45,340 Greer J on Facebook says, Vince, how did you get Carol Burnett on the show? 190 00:13:46,590 --> 00:13:51,690 Well, I tell you, I'll try to make it quick. This is a real Hollywood story, 191 00:13:51,690 --> 00:13:54,930 way we met. But we've known each other now for six or seven years. 192 00:13:55,190 --> 00:13:59,750 We met in the most Hollywood of ways. We both have a favorite. 193 00:14:00,590 --> 00:14:01,590 Limbo driver. 194 00:14:02,610 --> 00:14:04,970 A guy named Jason, who was awesome. 195 00:14:05,350 --> 00:14:09,790 And, you know, we'd get, you know, I don't travel this way every day, I 196 00:14:09,870 --> 00:14:12,990 But every now and then, if you go to the Emmys or whatnot, if you're lucky 197 00:14:12,990 --> 00:14:16,950 enough to get to go, the studio sends you. And Jason, our driver, would say, 198 00:14:17,070 --> 00:14:22,270 hey, you know, my friend Carol's a real big fan of yours. She loves Breaking 199 00:14:22,270 --> 00:14:26,550 Bad. This was back in the Breaking Bad days. And I said, great, Carol who? 200 00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:27,630 Burnett. I was like, what? 201 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:36,760 Jason was our intermediary. We met cute through Jason, our driver. 202 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:41,180 And, like, one day we'd be, Holly and I would be in the car and we'd get a box 203 00:14:41,180 --> 00:14:44,420 set of the Carol Burnett show. Oh, my gosh. I've seen them all anyway. But, 204 00:14:44,460 --> 00:14:49,140 like, it was a gift from her. And then I got her a barrel set, which I gave to 205 00:14:49,140 --> 00:14:50,140 her through Jason. 206 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,780 Finally, one day I get in the car and Jason says, Carol just says, you know, 207 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:59,020 let's cut out the middleman. And she suggests that you guys all have. 208 00:14:59,660 --> 00:15:01,660 Oh, my gosh. That's how we met. 209 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,380 That would become like you send her a note like, Carol Burnett, do you like 210 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:06,400 Check yes or no. 211 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,660 By the way, no one would judge you if you wrote limos all the time. You've 212 00:15:10,660 --> 00:15:14,480 created and co -created some of the best television shows on the planet. 213 00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:16,580 If you, 214 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,220 if I saw you. 215 00:15:19,319 --> 00:15:25,540 If I saw you riding a tiger on top of a limo that was also a jet, I'd be like, 216 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,700 that totally is fine with me. But you're the nicest man in the world. I wouldn't 217 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:31,700 worry about it. 218 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:38,840 Bob, I want to talk about the scene where Gene, where he trains Jeff how to 219 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,880 the store. Like, where we finally see the present present in black and white. 220 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,260 Oh, you're talking about, like, what episode is that? 221 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:46,500 Episode 11. 222 00:15:47,060 --> 00:15:50,960 10 in the snowy wonderland or running around. 223 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,100 That was so fun, man. So fun. Because he's torturing this guy. 224 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:57,600 Go faster! 225 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,940 And he's enjoying it. 226 00:16:02,090 --> 00:16:06,350 This guy who's had something over on him, this guy who's going to give him 227 00:16:06,350 --> 00:16:12,470 and destroy everything, and he's now got him under his thumb, and he's going to, 228 00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:15,610 you know, drive him crazy. Try to. 229 00:16:15,970 --> 00:16:20,330 And it was a lot of fun. And shout out to Pat Healy, who plays the character. 230 00:16:20,330 --> 00:16:21,550 Pat Healy plays it great. 231 00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:24,110 Yeah. And we are. 232 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,700 We were on The Post together, the movie The Post, and got to know each other 233 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:31,640 there, and this was really fun to work with him again. 234 00:16:32,740 --> 00:16:36,980 I think another big question, Ray, difference between Miracle Whip and 235 00:16:36,980 --> 00:16:39,800 mayonnaise? It was a big debate in this last episode. 236 00:16:41,300 --> 00:16:48,020 So I'm here in New Hampshire with my family, and I have Richmond and 237 00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:49,710 family. 238 00:16:50,390 --> 00:16:54,150 This just happens to be in the house. I can see because it's happened. 239 00:16:56,750 --> 00:17:03,530 I think Miracle Whip is too sweet. 240 00:17:04,369 --> 00:17:05,609 I don't do Miracle Whip. 241 00:17:06,270 --> 00:17:11,670 But Vince and I had a good discussion on that day of like, would you think this 242 00:17:11,670 --> 00:17:16,270 would work in a recipe? And the fact is, it is sweet. If you had a recipe that 243 00:17:16,270 --> 00:17:17,270 wanted mayonnaise. 244 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,839 and you had relatives in Virginia or Maryland that wanted Duke's, it would 245 00:17:22,839 --> 00:17:26,300 actually be a conundrum. You'd have to give some thought to it. 246 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,460 You know how dumb we are, by the way? We didn't get paid for any of this 247 00:17:30,460 --> 00:17:31,480 product. Oh, come on. 248 00:17:34,940 --> 00:17:37,940 I'm watching the show going, Duke's mayonnaise must be there. 249 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:42,160 Cinnabon must have backed a truck of money up to, you know. No. No. 250 00:17:42,660 --> 00:17:43,660 That's great. 251 00:17:44,020 --> 00:17:46,860 Wait, Vince, Vince, you wish we got free, man. 252 00:17:49,390 --> 00:17:50,410 You're going to get it now. 253 00:17:51,070 --> 00:17:54,070 You're going to get it, and Cameron is going to send it to you, is how it's 254 00:17:54,070 --> 00:17:56,050 going to work out. My heart's desire, yeah. 255 00:17:56,290 --> 00:17:59,370 When we come back, we have one more interview with the cast, including ones 256 00:17:59,370 --> 00:18:02,270 John Carlos Esposito and Tony Dalton. We'll be right back on Talking... 257 00:18:19,530 --> 00:18:22,550 Walt and Jesse were certainly at the center of Breaking Bad. 258 00:18:22,830 --> 00:18:29,030 And Brian and Aaron are just two people that are exceptionally special human 259 00:18:29,030 --> 00:18:34,270 beings and have always been generous about being willing to step back into 260 00:18:34,270 --> 00:18:38,890 world, which is an unbelievable privilege to have those actors willing 261 00:18:38,890 --> 00:18:45,170 that. For Vince, Peter, the big question was... When and how do you use them? 262 00:18:45,290 --> 00:18:50,790 And I think restraint was very much like a, you know, an element in that. 263 00:18:50,890 --> 00:18:56,710 Because if you go too far too fast, then you're shifting the focus in a way that 264 00:18:56,710 --> 00:19:01,310 really doesn't service the story that we've been telling with Better Call 265 00:19:01,650 --> 00:19:07,390 Seeing Walt and Jesse does give you context for Jimmy's arc into Saul. 266 00:19:07,770 --> 00:19:14,030 Like, you're reminded of who Saul was, and you're reminded of how far we've 267 00:19:14,030 --> 00:19:16,690 in the story. And I think that's really important. 268 00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:22,630 Won't Jesse become a measuring stick of sorts in terms of the growth or... 269 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,360 lack thereof. Having Brian and Aaron on set is definitely, again, a marker of, 270 00:19:27,420 --> 00:19:33,100 like, oh, it really is the end. The show is going to finish. It was a sign of 271 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:36,200 that. Having those guys around is just a celebration. 272 00:19:36,620 --> 00:19:42,580 Like, they're just so joyful, and having them on set was just fun. 273 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,840 Welcome back to Talking Soul. That was executive producer, Mr. 274 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,180 Bernstein. Welcoming Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul back to set to reprise their 275 00:19:54,180 --> 00:19:56,700 roles of Walt and Jesse. We're back with Vince, Peter, Bob, and Ray. 276 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:02,340 The Walt and Jesse reactions, Trek 8, LFC on Twitter says, I literally got 277 00:20:02,340 --> 00:20:04,280 goosebumps seeing Jesse and Walt in Better Call Saul. 278 00:20:05,940 --> 00:20:09,760 Adamo Giancola says, Walt and Jesse's return was absolutely glorious. 279 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:16,080 And so I guess, you know, it's interesting to see as we revisit this. 280 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:22,120 Saul's first scene in Breaking Bad with Brian and Aaron. Now that we have all 281 00:20:22,120 --> 00:20:25,520 this other information, it just gives it a lot more weight. 282 00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:30,460 Yeah. I mean, it was amazing to be in Winnebago with them. 283 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,260 And it was just fun to do that. 284 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:40,780 But I couldn't believe they were there and that we were doing it. It's 285 00:20:40,780 --> 00:20:42,260 interesting, Peter. 286 00:20:43,370 --> 00:20:48,850 Bringing back Walt and Jesse now, it almost kind of feels like we're able to 287 00:20:48,850 --> 00:20:53,710 kind of retcon a little bit. There's more of Saul in the picture than you 288 00:20:53,710 --> 00:21:00,190 realize with Breaking Bad. He might have been a little more kind of commanding. 289 00:21:01,270 --> 00:21:02,910 scenario than we originally realized. 290 00:21:03,190 --> 00:21:06,450 Yeah, we're seeing the show from a whole different point of view. And shooting 291 00:21:06,450 --> 00:21:10,890 that, by the way, was so weird coming back all these years later, and there 292 00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:15,830 a sandstorm when we shot the first version of it on Breaking Bad, and then 293 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:18,950 sandstorm on the second version. Yeah, but you couldn't see the damn sand. 294 00:21:19,330 --> 00:21:20,850 Yeah, but it was going right up your nose. 295 00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:25,680 Yeah, we were suffering it. But then I can't wait to watch it on screen and 296 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,320 the audience go, these guys are such heroes. 297 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,700 And you can't see the sand. You can't see the sand. 298 00:21:33,300 --> 00:21:36,120 You can't see the sand. They're going to put the sand on the screen. And it was 299 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:37,019 cold, too. 300 00:21:37,020 --> 00:21:42,700 Having said all that, we thought it would be really fascinating to see the 301 00:21:42,700 --> 00:21:47,460 of Breaking Bad from this other point of view. To see that maybe Breaking Bad in 302 00:21:47,460 --> 00:21:50,320 some ways was Walt and Jesse's story, but this is... 303 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:54,320 Saul or Jimmy's story, and now we see what they meant to him. 304 00:21:54,620 --> 00:22:01,420 And, yeah, you've got to wonder if Walt hadn't walked into that office, the 305 00:22:01,420 --> 00:22:03,620 story of Breaking Bad would be, I think, pretty different. 306 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:09,320 I'm sorry, just that moment where he realizes they cooked the blue stuff. And 307 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,480 that's what he's been waiting for. 308 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,560 He's been waiting for somebody like that to walk into his life. 309 00:22:15,020 --> 00:22:19,520 And that's why he suspected that could happen, and here they are. It's amazing. 310 00:22:19,780 --> 00:22:21,760 So he learned nothing from dealing with Lalo. 311 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,200 Nothing at all. 312 00:22:23,340 --> 00:22:24,340 No, he did. 313 00:22:24,620 --> 00:22:31,560 I think that he sees Walt as like, this guy is not an off -the -rails 314 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:38,260 guy. This guy has a life. He has a wife and kids, and he's a teacher, right? 315 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,160 So this is the difference. It's like, what if I could get a mastermind 316 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,130 who's not out of his... Mine. 317 00:22:46,270 --> 00:22:51,030 Well, I think I got him. I'm going to try this terrible thing again, except 318 00:22:51,030 --> 00:22:53,990 time I'm going to get it right. Okay, there we go. And he almost does. 319 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:59,450 Ray, you know, one of the big questions for Kim was like, you know, seeing Kim 320 00:22:59,450 --> 00:23:02,150 throughout this whole series in the back of your head going, she's not in 321 00:23:02,150 --> 00:23:04,290 Breaking Bad, so is she okay? 322 00:23:04,670 --> 00:23:09,210 And then seeing that scene with Kim and Jesse, can you talk about that 323 00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:10,210 connection? 324 00:23:12,550 --> 00:23:13,810 Yeah, well, so... 325 00:23:14,610 --> 00:23:21,370 So I've met Aaron and Brian because they come to our premieres all the time. And 326 00:23:21,370 --> 00:23:26,270 they are as lovely as you would want your hero actors to be. They are 327 00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:30,930 wonderful people. And I'm thrilled to come back and help us tell our story. 328 00:23:30,930 --> 00:23:32,270 watch Better Call Saul. 329 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:35,910 And Aaron was lovely. I was a little nervous. 330 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,340 to work with him because I'm a big fan. And he's a big fan of Kim Whistler. And 331 00:23:41,340 --> 00:23:47,020 so he was so sweet to me. And then we really enjoyed the fact that scene that 332 00:23:47,020 --> 00:23:49,500 and I have where I'm smoking out there. 333 00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:57,120 My character is at the end of the arc of realizing what going down 334 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:58,680 a rabbit hole can do to your conscience. 335 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,020 And her erosion of her conscience, she's gone all the way through. 336 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,620 He's beginning it. 337 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,580 This is even pre -Breaking Bad. 338 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:13,480 So we really love that idea of, like, if they could tell each other what they've 339 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:20,040 learned, she could tell him what she's learned, would he change what he's 340 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:25,840 I don't know. And instead, it's just these two people, like, missing each 341 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,620 in the moment. And she's also coming from what she had inside and signing 342 00:24:30,620 --> 00:24:32,720 divorce papers and that terrible scene. 343 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:35,960 killed me with Saul. 344 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:43,360 And him wanting to know, like, is he a good lawyer? And I loved that moment of 345 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,500 her just answering that. He was when I knew him. 346 00:24:46,220 --> 00:24:52,120 Vincent Peter, what did it mean that Mike goes and has a conversation with 347 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,520 Nacho's dad and says, here's what happened? 348 00:24:55,780 --> 00:25:01,980 Boy. Yeah, you should take that one. I think Mike identifies with Nacho's dad. 349 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,300 Mike lost a son. 350 00:25:04,810 --> 00:25:10,670 Nacho's dad lost a son, and Mike thinks that they are alike in some way. And he 351 00:25:10,670 --> 00:25:16,870 goes and has this heart -rending scene, and he finds out, no, they don't. He 352 00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:23,830 thinks that maybe telling the dad that there was revenge, that revenge 353 00:25:23,830 --> 00:25:28,910 is coming, is somehow going to make dad feel not better, not going to heal him, 354 00:25:29,010 --> 00:25:31,830 but is going to keep that rage. 355 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:37,050 Keep that rage and help him to go on. 356 00:25:37,310 --> 00:25:42,550 And, in fact, boy, you know, I think Nacho's dad puts Mike in his place. He 357 00:25:42,550 --> 00:25:47,770 does. He really does. Puts him back on his heels, doesn't he? He just, you 358 00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:52,310 Mike is always the guy that gets the last word. He's the guy in control. And 359 00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:53,770 this guy makes him look. 360 00:25:54,330 --> 00:25:55,850 Kind of sad and small. 361 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:58,290 Diminishes them. Yeah, you don't see that every day. 362 00:25:58,550 --> 00:26:01,910 Yeah, because he's basically saying it's like it's never going to end for you. 363 00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:06,150 There's no end. There's no amount of revenge. It's always revenge upon 364 00:26:06,150 --> 00:26:07,510 upon revenge upon revenge. 365 00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:08,850 And it's pointless. 366 00:26:09,230 --> 00:26:10,230 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 367 00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:13,410 Well, before we go to break, I want to remind you to make sure to tune in for 368 00:26:13,410 --> 00:26:19,030 the series finale of Better Call Saul next Monday, August 15th on AMC and 369 00:26:19,030 --> 00:26:22,350 Coming up, we have more interviews, including Giancarlo Esposito and Tony 370 00:26:22,350 --> 00:26:23,450 Dalton. We'll be right back. 371 00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:45,170 It's great to be part of this whole universe and to have people really sort 372 00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:46,590 embrace the character and like him. 373 00:26:46,810 --> 00:26:51,870 He's such a complex character because he has sort of this charisma and this 374 00:26:51,870 --> 00:26:52,870 charm. 375 00:26:53,479 --> 00:26:56,160 yet ruthless killer, which makes it even scarier. 376 00:26:56,460 --> 00:26:58,000 There was a fun character to play. 377 00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,800 I'm sad to say goodbye to him. 378 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,820 I'm going to miss everybody here. It was a great crew, and it was a wonderful 379 00:27:03,820 --> 00:27:09,080 part to play, and it really was an honor. I mean, everybody here was just 380 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,640 great. I mean, my alarm clock in the morning, it would ring. I'd get a smile 381 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,880 my face because I'd come and work with all these guys. 382 00:27:16,180 --> 00:27:18,500 Every day was great, and I'm going to miss that. 383 00:27:23,030 --> 00:27:27,230 Welcome back to Talking Saul. That was Tony Dalton on what it means to him to 384 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:28,550 have been a part of the Better Call Saul. 385 00:27:29,270 --> 00:27:30,990 We're here with Vince, Peter, Bob, and Ray. 386 00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:36,590 Vince and Peter, how would you describe Lalo's impact on the Breaking Bad 387 00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:37,590 universe? 388 00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:38,890 I think Peter should... 389 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,000 Take the second half. The first half is there wouldn't have been a Lalo if it 390 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,700 had been up to me. That's how dumb I am. I got really lazy. 391 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,640 You know, Lalo is mentioned in the very first episode. It's a throwaway line, 392 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:58,520 the very first episode of Breaking Bad that Saul appears in. He says, Lalo, 393 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,520 a throwaway. 394 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,080 And Peter kept saying, we got to pay this off. Who is Lalo? Who's this guy 395 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,600 that Thal's so scared of? And I said, oh, for God's sake, you don't have to 396 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,600 every I here. 397 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:16,760 And Peter kept on, he said, and the writers and everyone looked at me like 398 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:17,900 like the feeble uncle. 399 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:22,140 They're just like, you know, just kind of, you know, humoring here. And they 400 00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:23,140 were so right. 401 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,440 to keep pushing because we wouldn't have had Tony Dalton. And it would have 402 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,640 been, the whole universe would have been poorer for it. So, Peter, what is the, 403 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,880 so, my hat is off to you, my friend. Well, thank you. My hat's right back off 404 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:37,539 you also. 405 00:28:37,540 --> 00:28:39,040 My hair, too. 406 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,880 Yeah, look, Tony is just so special. 407 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,200 And the character. 408 00:28:45,900 --> 00:28:50,440 We just thought it was time to introduce a different kind of Salamanca. 409 00:28:51,140 --> 00:28:55,540 We thought it would be really interesting to see a killer who enjoys 410 00:28:55,540 --> 00:28:58,380 isn't so grim, who kind of has a spring in his step. 411 00:28:58,740 --> 00:29:04,640 And boy, Tony brought it, and he's got charm, and he's got a... 412 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,600 He's joyful. He's probably one of the maybe the happiest character on the 413 00:29:11,900 --> 00:29:18,880 You know, you meet him and he's cooking away and singing and 414 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:24,320 he's delighted with life. And then he'll kill you if you get in his way. So I 415 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,580 think it was just a really it was, you know, with all these actors, it's a it's 416 00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:34,000 a special alchemy of the role and the actor and the great fun. 417 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,400 of getting to do what we do is that we get to write for these actors and to 418 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,540 up on all the things that they do. And so Tony became kind of the 419 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,000 charming James Bond cartel. 420 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:54,220 Capo. I mean, it was a flawless performance, too, because he didn't play 421 00:29:54,220 --> 00:29:55,220 the villain. 422 00:29:55,300 --> 00:30:00,120 He went into that mode when he was in that mode and then all smiles the rest 423 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,280 the time. But again, it's sort of a testament to that. And I think we talked 424 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,120 about this when we were doing Talking Bad all those years ago, is that one of 425 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,860 favorite things about what y 'all created. 426 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:15,340 just something that seems like a throwaway, just a very small detail, 427 00:30:15,340 --> 00:30:18,960 seasons later becomes an entire storyline. 428 00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:23,500 And it's that kind of like respected detail for your audience. 429 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,300 that we get to enjoy that. We get to watch this pay off. 430 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,160 You know, that it wasn't just a throwaway. It actually had depth and 431 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,220 it. We have to take a quick break. But before we do, I'm excited to announce 432 00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:39,720 that you can have the opportunity to take home an actual piece of Better Call 433 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,320 Saul. Sony Pictures is partnering with Prop Store, which is a great auction 434 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,800 house. My wife and I have bought a ton of film and television and movie props 435 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,419 from there. 436 00:30:48,420 --> 00:30:52,740 250 props and costumes from all six seasons of Better Call Saul. Go to 437 00:30:52,740 --> 00:30:54,700 .com. slash Better Call Saul. 438 00:30:55,180 --> 00:30:57,660 You can register and see a preview of what will be available. 439 00:30:58,620 --> 00:31:02,620 We have a handful of items that are around the set that will be available as 440 00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:06,780 part of the auction as well, including Hector Salamanca's bell, which would be 441 00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:12,640 amazing. We have a tequila bottle stopper. We have Jimmy's second best 442 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:13,860 mug. There's a ton of stuff. 443 00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:18,080 So bidding starts August 18th. A portion of the proceeds will be donated to 444 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,240 local Albuquerque charities. 445 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,760 Make sure to check it out for your chance to take home a piece of pop 446 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,800 Coming up, more interviews with the cast and producers. But first, here's 447 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,140 Jonathan Banks on what portraying Mike Ehrmantraut has meant to him. Check it 448 00:31:29,140 --> 00:31:30,140 out. 449 00:31:31,100 --> 00:31:33,800 Mike Ehrmantraut's a pretty great character. 450 00:31:34,540 --> 00:31:36,920 I like Mike a lot. 451 00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:40,560 What are my feelings as this comes to an end? 452 00:31:42,260 --> 00:31:49,100 I don't think I'll know what my emotions are until a month, a year 453 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:50,100 after. 454 00:31:50,380 --> 00:31:51,920 Right now, I'm ready to go home. 455 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,480 ready to put it to bed with a lot of gratitude. 456 00:31:56,580 --> 00:31:58,320 Oh, my God, a lot of gratitude. 457 00:31:58,860 --> 00:32:00,520 And that will choke me up. 458 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,980 You hear guys saying, I'm the luckiest guy in the world. 459 00:32:04,540 --> 00:32:11,480 I would like to remind you that's sincere, not on just my part, but a lot 460 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:12,600 the people who are saying it. 461 00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:17,300 To the point you can't take it in, it's so lucky. 462 00:32:33,770 --> 00:32:39,170 It's an emotional moment for me inside to let a character go and, in this case, 463 00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:40,810 been so blessed to have him come back. 464 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,600 in a different incarnation slightly, so it gives me something else to play. 465 00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:48,640 I was talking to Tony Dalton. We were talking about how blessed we are to have 466 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,320 been in a situation with such great creators. For an actor, it's all about 467 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,380 writing and where the character goes and how it is very meticulously put 468 00:32:57,380 --> 00:33:02,180 together. And then the other part of letting go, this is the family of 469 00:33:02,180 --> 00:33:05,760 filmmakers. There's no actor on the show who I have not enjoyed working with. 470 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,440 It's a difficult one to let go of because the longer you're in the 471 00:33:09,540 --> 00:33:13,500 whether you're actor, director, stunt person, when you have an experience that 472 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:20,440 is somehow so very special and it's indescribable in words, you mark it. You 473 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,800 feel it. It's an energetic feeling that you never want to forget. 474 00:33:27,180 --> 00:33:28,800 Welcome back to Talking Saul. 475 00:33:29,100 --> 00:33:34,360 That was Giancarlo Esposito. And also, a huge hand for Giancarlo Esposito, 476 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,440 please. 477 00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:38,020 That's amazing. 478 00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:42,520 And now it is my pleasure to introduce our featured fan. 479 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,800 Please welcome Radova from Bordeaux, France. 480 00:33:45,020 --> 00:33:46,380 Hi, Radova, how are you? 481 00:33:47,020 --> 00:33:48,380 Hi, I'm doing great. 482 00:33:48,860 --> 00:33:50,680 Thanks so much for having me. 483 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,240 And I have a question, and the question is for Ray. 484 00:33:55,520 --> 00:34:00,360 Are there any plans to exhibit the amazing artwork you've made for the 485 00:34:02,090 --> 00:34:05,770 Okay, Radha, let's talk about the artwork behind you. Is this your 486 00:34:06,770 --> 00:34:07,810 Yes, these are mine. 487 00:34:08,730 --> 00:34:09,730 That's incredible. 488 00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:13,909 Okay, I think we need to plan your exhibition, not mine. 489 00:34:17,090 --> 00:34:20,110 Thank you, thank you. Did you do artwork for the show, Ray? 490 00:34:22,469 --> 00:34:25,110 Yes, Kim's bedroom has... 491 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:32,020 Bird paintings above the bed in the condo that are my actual paintings. They 492 00:34:32,020 --> 00:34:35,060 two paintings collaged together. 493 00:34:35,620 --> 00:34:42,060 And let's see, the bedroom, sorry, the bathroom has one 494 00:34:42,060 --> 00:34:48,739 of sheets and the living room has two, an owl and a woman laying on her back 495 00:34:48,739 --> 00:34:49,980 with her legs crossed. 496 00:34:50,300 --> 00:34:56,179 And if you're looking at the condo at the couch, the left wall. 497 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:03,820 uh bookcase that painting uh how she's laying i duplicated no one will know 498 00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:10,560 but i duplicated now you will um when uh the episode that um i was allowed to 499 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:16,280 direct and had a glorious time doing 604 uh when jimmy is describing pulling the 500 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:22,920 sign out of the cement uh i duplicated the posture if anyone ever saw it it's 501 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,340 kim laying in the exact same position as the drawing that i did on the other 502 00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:28,060 side of the wall Oh, my God. That's fantastic. 503 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,800 That is a hell of an Easter egg. 504 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,000 Raghava, I want to thank you so much for your question. As you can see in the 505 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,700 background, these incredible portraits he has made for the cast and creators. 506 00:35:37,820 --> 00:35:39,620 And he actually had sent some of his artwork. 507 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:44,660 We were going to have it here so it could be given as gifts to you all, but 508 00:35:44,660 --> 00:35:45,660 got stuck in customs. 509 00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:50,000 But we will get it, and we will get them to you. We will make sure that those 510 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:50,819 portraits arrive. 511 00:35:50,820 --> 00:35:53,500 Your artwork is stunning. Thank you so much for your question, and thank you 512 00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:54,279 being a fan. 513 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,780 Thank you. It was a pleasure. Thank you. 514 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,600 LongLiveCinema on Instagram says, Bob, what do you think is the most dangerous 515 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,720 trait of Saul Goodman? 516 00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:10,900 His excitement and interest in being, you know, he gets too carried away with 517 00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:12,920 his plots and plans. 518 00:36:13,140 --> 00:36:20,080 And that's the problem. He just, he's a good guy deep down. 519 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,640 He's so happy to have plans and to make them complicated. 520 00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:32,180 This is the great shopping crime in the mall, you know. 521 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,620 It reminds me of Tom Sawyer. I mean, I don't know if you guys ever intended for 522 00:36:37,620 --> 00:36:43,680 that, but Saul's complicated plans, which seem sometimes too unnecessarily 523 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:48,560 complicated, reminds me of... Tom Sawyer and like, you know, Huck Finn, you're 524 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,100 going to be an old widow and I'm going to be a little girl. I'm going through 525 00:36:52,100 --> 00:36:52,738 the window. 526 00:36:52,740 --> 00:36:55,820 Why don't you just open the window and go, you don't have to put on a dress. 527 00:36:57,460 --> 00:37:02,100 But it's just his excitement, his exuberance gets him into trouble and 528 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,720 makes things worse because he takes it too far. He can't get out of his own 529 00:37:07,580 --> 00:37:10,120 We have to take a quick break. When we come back, more interviews with the cast 530 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,240 and producers. We'll be right back with more Talking Soul. 531 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,220 Welcome back to Talking Saul. I'm back with Vince, Peter, Bob, and Ray. 532 00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:34,900 All right. So we have three minutes and 40 seconds before this is done. And then 533 00:37:34,900 --> 00:37:38,240 there's another episode left. So I want to try to encapsulate as best we can. 534 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:41,860 It's going to be a tall order. How should fans prepare themselves for the 535 00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:43,020 episode next week? 536 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,900 Buy stock up and depend. 537 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,820 Stock up and depend. 538 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:52,030 It's a big one. I can't say how great it is because I didn't write it and I 539 00:37:52,030 --> 00:37:55,370 didn't direct it. It depends on you. You name check a lot of brands. And I never 540 00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:56,730 get paid for any of them. 541 00:37:57,230 --> 00:38:01,530 We are not getting enough free mayonnaise or diapers. 542 00:38:02,330 --> 00:38:06,550 Now it's people riding the tram at the Albuquerque airport, eating mayonnaise, 543 00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:09,970 crying, and then crapping their pants. You need it because it goes right 544 00:38:09,970 --> 00:38:10,970 you. Ray, 545 00:38:11,570 --> 00:38:15,550 how would you describe the series finale in three words? Could you even do that? 546 00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:16,990 You can't leave that to me. 547 00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:21,870 As always, we can't spoil anything. 548 00:38:22,170 --> 00:38:27,690 I think it is one of the most, and I've watched many of my favorite series, and 549 00:38:27,690 --> 00:38:30,230 it's such a hard, hard job to do. 550 00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:32,050 My hat off. 551 00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:34,930 I have multiple hats I'm taking off right now to Peter. 552 00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:41,150 And just wrapping this whole thing up, it's so thoughtful. It's so respectful 553 00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:42,890 the intelligence level of our fans. 554 00:38:45,670 --> 00:38:49,570 Heart level of our fans. It tugged at my heart. I'm still thinking about the 555 00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:51,890 ending. I can't wrap it up in three words. My apologies. 556 00:38:52,090 --> 00:38:53,090 That's fine. 557 00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:57,070 Bob, rather than asking the three -word question, someone asked a social media 558 00:38:57,070 --> 00:38:58,070 question. 559 00:38:58,550 --> 00:39:03,010 He can do that. You want to answer it? Okay, go ahead. Hard -won truth. Do it. 560 00:39:03,090 --> 00:39:03,759 You do it. 561 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:08,560 Hard won truth. Hard won truth. You so prepared that. 562 00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:14,480 I literally prepared that while you were bumpering around for years. 563 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,540 Bumpering? What century is this? 564 00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:20,660 Thank you for the bumpering. 565 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,100 Someone asked on social media, do you see Saul as a tragic character? 566 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,600 Oh, yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah, because he knows he's got a good sense of what's 567 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,410 right. And he can't help himself. 568 00:39:35,170 --> 00:39:36,990 And that's tragic. 569 00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:42,570 I also feel like the worst thing is he can't let go of things. You've got to be 570 00:39:42,570 --> 00:39:43,570 able to let go of things. 571 00:39:44,170 --> 00:39:46,250 And that's his biggest flaw, I'd say. 572 00:39:47,350 --> 00:39:51,170 How are you feeling, the finale, being a week away, this journey that started so 573 00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:52,170 many years ago? 574 00:39:52,210 --> 00:39:55,890 I can't believe it. I can't believe we're almost done. 575 00:39:56,950 --> 00:40:00,030 I'm super proud of the... I hope people... 576 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,200 Find somebody who will let you hang on to them and grab them. And that's how 577 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,780 should watch the finale. 578 00:40:07,100 --> 00:40:11,960 Yeah, I'm excited for people to see it, but I can't believe it's almost over. 579 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:18,280 Well, I always gush about how much I respect you for what you've done and for 580 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,280 what you've built and how you, you know. And Bob, for what you've done to take 581 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,540 this character from the other show and then spin him off into this whole other 582 00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:31,660 character with depth to see the other side of the wall from the other show. 583 00:40:31,660 --> 00:40:32,660 as pie. 584 00:40:34,300 --> 00:40:39,500 And watching all of you do amazing work and your careers blossom, it's just, I'm 585 00:40:39,500 --> 00:40:42,020 a fan of you both professionally and personally, and I want to thank you so 586 00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:44,890 much. much for making this incredible show. Thanks. Next week is the series 587 00:40:44,890 --> 00:40:48,170 finale of Better Call Saul. My guests have been Vince Gilligan, Peter Gould, 588 00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:52,730 Odenkirk, and the wonderful Ray Sehorne. I hope you win all the Emmys. And I 589 00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:53,730 want to say congratulations. 590 00:40:54,270 --> 00:40:57,630 To everyone else, the rest of the incredible path and crew on this amazing 591 00:40:57,630 --> 00:41:02,170 journey. You should also be so proud. Also, Better Call Saul fans, thank you 592 00:41:02,170 --> 00:41:05,130 showing up and enjoying the ride. I can't wait to see how this wraps up. 593 00:41:05,530 --> 00:41:09,810 That's the series finale next Monday, August 15th on AMC and AMC . Stay safe. 594 00:41:09,850 --> 00:41:10,769 Take care of each other. 595 00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:13,930 I'm Chris Hardwick. I'll see you in the fall for Walking and Talking Dead. Bye 596 00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:14,930 -bye.